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However, let me address a point that you bring up. Yes, I agree that the CO's should have some understanding of the Fleet Constitution and Law. None of them, however, will be affluent enough in it for every possible factor that may arise. ...
Yunalesca wrote: ...
m actually more concerned, not that this may cause some COs a bit of inconvenience, reading up on the rules, now and then, but the fact that COs are actively advocating ignorance of them, given "will you abide by the rules" is literally a question that is an instant denial of application on the CO App, and that we, as COs are the ones voting on establishing new, or amending old rules.
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...I find it odd that you are literally going from advocating that COs should not be required to know the ins and outs of the constitution to advocating against the PFA, who are required to have a higher than average grasp on it, explaining to the judiciary committee how they believe the constitution should apply when ...NoxRaven wrote: You also bring up a perfect point. You say -As the PFA YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDGEMENTS IN A JUDICIAL MATTER. This is what I'm talking about where you take on the role of judge and jury. That in many aspects does take out the checks and balances. You are an administrative role, not a judicial one. There should be no judgment from the PFA relating to any case or hearing.Joe_Rhimer wrote:They'd also be presented with our opinion and judgment from the initial hearing to review, so they would understand our interpretation of the rules, and they could just look up the ones pertaining to the case.
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These points conflict with themselves.NoxRaven wrote: ...
However, let me address a point that you bring up. Yes, I agree that the CO's should have some understanding of the Fleet Constitution and Law. None of them, however, will be affluent enough in it for every possible factor that may arise. ...
Thusly why this is in discussion, not to be attacked because people are hell bent on staying with the some 'Hey, we're writing starfleet. Let's call our judicial system JAG. HURR HURR' mindset, but to put forward a democratic methodology of resolving our issues like grown ups in a way that is not only inclusive, to ensure all COs understand, or are given a better understanding, of PF's rules. It is also put forward to allow the free exchange of ideas on how to make it better.NoxRaven wrote:
I also disagree with you saying that JAG is an obsolete relic. That is so far from the truth to be laughable. For reasons in part as I stated above is one of the major areas why JAG exists. As I have said several times. I get you want to be more inclusive with the COs. That's a good thing. But this is not the way in which to do so. If you want to include them in something like this. I'd offer an alternative that sort of incorporates your "tribunal" idea. Have the JAG office...then pick say 3-4 CO's. They will serve with JAG for say 3 months. Then after that, they are released and another 3-4 are randomly chosen. This gives you the "inclusiveness" you are looking for as well as preserves the checks and balances that is needed in any organization.
My other concern that has never been answered is I asked to be shown the particulars. From what I see all you have put forward is a framework. There are no specifics. There is nothing as to how the tribunal process will be started. How will the Tribunal be selected? Who will lead the tribunal or be its "spokesperson"? How will judgement be decided? Is it by majority vote or do all of the members of the tribunal have to be in agreement?
You seemingly have no specifics or particulars. To me, it looks like it's simply saying. "Oh we thought this might work..we don't know how. We'll just toss it up into the air and see where the pieces land."
So at this moment yes I will be voting against this when it comes up.
The only difference that seems to exist between what is being proposed, and your 'JAG Council' is that it does not rotate the COs, isn't called JAG, and isn't always led by the same person.
Instead of attacking the idea because it dares to be forward thinking, constructive criticism would be greatly more appreciated.
-Pegasus Fleet does not exclusively consist of Star Trek sims.NoxRaven wrote: And the further you go away from it the less feel of Star Trek you get and more of just sci-fi enthusiasts in general.
-Pegasus Fleet's posting levels last month seemed to indicate our non-trek sims had more enthusiasm than our Trek sims did.
-Statements like this are not inclusive to all members of the Fleet, as not all members choose to write Star Trek characters.